Michigan State University

Hey all you people who like to think MSU is cool:

MSU is THE WORST school and has far too many students who think it is a good school. Well, it is fun for those of you who are into drinking as much alcohol as possible and riding a smelly bus for a half hour to get to a classs 4 miles away, not to mention those of you who like to sit in rooms with over 200 people and then go back to your dorm room (which is at least a mile away from most classses!) where you share a toilet with 30 others, and with a roommate you prob didn't choose, and he/she is crazy.

Do you like getting hit by cars? MSU has a great enviornment that will benefit this hobby of yours! I'm sure most people at MSU have been to Sparrow at least once, am I right? If you don't die here from alcohol poisioning or the traffic, you will at least be injured enough to never come back or make a quick visit to the local hospital. Do you want to be around others whose life purpose is to be a Spartan? Well, MSU is just the place!

Do you like being just a number out of 50,000 people, then for sure come here. Wayyy too many good reviews, and I understand how you could like it, just realize that MSU is more than just a place to go to college, it where you will be living and your safety is in danger at this place. The closest I've ever been to hell was being at MSU. And that was only 2 months, imagine what could've happened in a full semester?!

1st Year Female -- Class 2007

Please do not ever live in University Housing, you are parying top dollar to live in a slum. This University is abeaurocracy that is incapable of solving minor problems. For example, if you have a problem with your bill, you end up having to talk to five or six different departments who give you different answers for everything.

There is absolutely no student agency. If a mentor, professor, or anyone else with authority accuses you of anything, the judicial system is not set up to work fairly.

A LOT of the teachers speak horrible english. The math department is absolutely terrible, and a lot of the buildings are negligably accessible for differently-abled persons.

I will say that that they have an excellent Resource Center for Persons with Disabilities, and an excellent office for LBGTA Affairs.East Lansing is a very anti-student location. It has a habit of passing laws that negatively affect students, and the student populations. Most recently, the city attempted to displace hundreds of students by passing a law that would allow the razing of several frat houses, and students housing situations. They also passed a law that considered a "riot" to be a gathering of five or more people. The police often have a tendency to throw tear gas into peaceful crowds of students.

4th Year Female -- Class 2009

Campus Aesthetics: A, Education Quality: F

Ok...my advice is regarding the College of Education at MSU, and not necessarily the university as a whole. I graduated from MSU in 2005 and came back several years later for teaching certification through the College of Education. What you are about to read here is a comparison of one part of the university (the College of Education) with another part (actually everything else that I am aware of).

I came back to MSU because of my overall positive experience there as an undergrad. I entered the College of Education believing that the coursework would be as challenging and exciting as my undergrad years, however what I found was that I had just entered a "diploma mill". the college, as I can gather, is largely interested in keeping enrollment numbers high so that they can continuously post their statistics on the website (it should be noted that their statistics are more quantitative, and not qualitative). I have been left so many times asking myself "what the hell are you people doing here besides talking in circles about theory?" So many faculty talked about issues but never addressed how to successfully implement them. Many of the MSU faculty in this college will talk about being a better teacher, but when it comes time to have a dialog about how to be a better teacher the topic finds itself on the other side of the railway tracks. I also had a problem with the fact that, in theory, you can advance through the entire program within the college and never have a real professor. That's rights folks: grad instructors do the vast majority of the work. While I did have a professor my 1st year in the program (post-bachelor students may enter on a special 2-year track for preparation) I had grad instructors for everything else. And I know that in the other section of my cohort a grad instructor was teaching that as well. So if you are considering entering into the field of education at this university be warned that you may never actually have a professor to lead and enlighten you.

Expanding from the issue of grad instructors, I also have to issue a warning that the introductory classes for the program, TE 150 and TE 250, are unspeakably pointless and wasteful. Even an entire swath of the faculty admit that they are in a "dire need of restructuring", and I know of 5 persons who I went to MSU with as an undergrad who decided not to go into education just because of their experiences in these classes. The first 9 credits of the entire program are a giant game of busy work and conformity. I am a very liberal and open-minded person, but what they are doing in those classes is shameful: indoctrination.

Besides those complaints, allow me to also issue a warning about the placements for student teaching. While many students who went through this program had sufficient mentor teachers a large enough fraction of other students had absurdly unqualified mentors and the program did little to address this. I happen to have fallen within this second group, but before you begin deducing that I am jaded am writing a negative letter because of my mentor experience let me say this: you will never have universal excellence when it comes to placing students with outside faculty, however at the least the college is responsible for looking after you considering that you are paying good money and spending precious time to earn a letter from them at the end. Most student teaching experiences at other colleges are a half year, however the fact that this program requires 8 months of student teaching means that if you happen to fall into a poor situation with a mentor teacher then there is no excuse as to why they cannot help you find someone who you will learn from, and not someone who will use you are free labor.

One other thing: self servicing of the college. During the last year of the program students are "elevated" to "graduate-professional" level, meaning that they require you to pay graduate school credit rates without the benefits of actually being a graduate student. The college loves to say "oh but you can use these graduate credits towards our M.A. in Teaching!", however what they fail to realize is that the student is being cheated (especially because you are now paying grad tuition while having a grad student teach the class, go figure)because most are likely to go out of state or desire to attend a closer program on either the west or east sides of the state. From day one the program begins talking to you about entering its M.A. program, and from what I have experienced and seen I believe firmly that the College of Ed at MSU is a farm: they bring you in, process you as another number like a pig going to slaughter, and prepare you and package you for dumping thousands of dollars into their undergrad program so as to then bring you right back and have you drop even more money into the grad program. No thanks, I have no desire to be digested further by this program.

What I found most disillusioning about this program was the lack of intellectual vigor. I will admit that I expected (I mean hey, these suppose to be grad classes, right?) the course work to be vigorous and challenging, however from one semester to the next I learned that the work is not only bland, uniform, none transformative and repetitious but also the grad students and some senior faculty have the attitude that they just want to get through the day and if you ask them anything that involves deep insight or research then you are asking them to do to much, and you become ignored. I happen to be a pretty academic person, and while I keep an open, objective mind I still have to conclude that the program is not academically challenging. You will be shocked (should you choose to enter) at what crap will get you an A in some of the classes, or that sense of "what the hell are we doing" that will float into your mind on so many days when the class is doing nothing.

So let's rehash:
a) way too many grad instructors teaching and not enough involvement of faculty.
b). the system is a teacher factory, you become a piece of meat with a number burned in your arm and you are moved along.

c). apathy of field placements and the too common response to student concerns "just deal with it and get through it"

d). charging you grad tuition rates for an experience that is hardly like grad school, and the college making additional money off of you that does not equate to any benefit on your part, as a student.

e). the lack of intellectual or academic vigor. If you are wanting of a challenging program that you will be proud of in the end then DO NOT enter this program. Go elsewhere: U of M perhaps? I know that many people who write negative comments are typically angry at the university or have an axe to grind, but let me restate that I have nothing against the university as a whole, I loved my undergrad years there. What I have a problem with is the College of Education, which is pretty mediocre compared to many colleges at the university. If you are an MSU student and are considering teaching, my advice would be to finish your coursework and graduate and then go elsewhere and take your education classes at some other institution. I offer this advice against the College of Education not because I am bitter or spiteful, but because I genuinely care about the quality of education that can be offered at the university, and based on my experiences I find that the College of Education at MSU (although highly ranked in US NEWS and World REPORT) is shockingly disappointing. Then again, if you want an easy ride and do not mind paying too much for too little then go right ahead. My only question would then be: what kind of teacher are you going to make?

5th Year Male -- Class 2009

Campus Aesthetics: A+, Useful Schoolwork: F